Clubs to look out for in PES 2012
Some up and coming clubs that in particular deserve more attention for PES 2012:
 Important Links
- Various Links to help keep track of young players with lots of potential. It's important to keep on top of these pages because that's what most people are looking for:
 2011 Summer Transfer Window
- To help keep up to date with the transfers over the summer.
- http://www.guardian.co.uk/football/2011/jun/16/list-players-released-premier-league-clubs?CMP=twt_gu - Released Premier League Players
 Informations about clubs
I noticed infos about clubs are almost all outdated, most describing players and formations of many years ago. Isn' t it better not to have these kind of infos for smaller clubs rather than having a plethora of outdated infos? With trasnfers happening every 6 months the pages get old in half a year and noone changes them so quickly. newadventures 08:09, 18 June 2011 (PDT)
 Erasing all the transfers in and out tables
In my opinion it is better to completely delete the transfers in and out tables in the club pages. They are out of date after every update Konami makes and it is not useful to know, for example, that De Gea must be sent from Atletico to United since in PES 2012 he will already be in United roster. Furthermore the in and out tables get old in a few months. If a player makes a switch we just have to delete him from the old squad and put him and the new one, no in and out tables are needed in my opinion.
- Hmmm, I agree actually, updating the transfer in/out tables takes so much work. It might be better to start overhauling all of the current squads now (the new template needs to be used). Whelan, what do you think about this? Reason 02:07, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
- yeah I completely agree with you guys! :D --Whelan 09:08, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
 Tactics, key players and more
I' ve got another idea: when talking about clubs key player, tactics etc., why don' t we always put the discussion under the PES installment we are talking about? This way the discussion never get outdated and noone will have to delete it because it obsolete. Furthermore good contributions about team better systems, tactics etc. will remain forever (or whatever :D). So, for example, if we write in AC Milan page
 PES 2011
Ibrahimovic is the main striker of the team while Pato and Robinho suits best as support strikers, the best formation is 4-3-3 etc. etc. etc.
...noone will have to edit it in the future when Ibrahimovic and Pato will be gone. So for every club there will be a history of tactics, key players etc. based on the correspondent PES installment. newadventures 15:08, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
As a newbie here, this makes a lot of sense to me... the wiki is really about the game, not the team itself, so splitting this stuff by installment of the game makes much more sense to me. I'd take this a step further and say some of the stuff in the infoboxes could be removed, like coach/etc. That's not part of the game at all. Same thing with the players -- the key stats change with every installment of the game -- why not have that be collected under a heading for each installment of the game.
--PhantomTollbooth 16:31, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
I agree, I' m the most "stats addicted" here and it is something I already thought; if you see, for example, in Anelka page or in Van Bommel one, I explained what key stats have changed pes after pes. However the key stats can change from one year to another but if a player is aging his stats only decrease and his key stats don' t reflect the player he has been through pes history. To solve this problem I made an experiment in Ronaldo page putting his key stats when he was at his top in PES 4 (not his key stats in the latest installment like the other players) specifing that those are his PES 4 key stats. Normally I write under the heading for each installment what key stats have changed but i do it only for star players or players I like (Rost, Tymoschuck, Walcott, Moussa Sissoko, Anelka etc.). In the key stats box I always put the latest update stats, it doesn' t matter if the player is aging and the stats decrease, like van Bommel Shot Power for example. If you have better ideas let me know. The contrasting abilities table from year to year can be only done for superstars in my opinion.newadventures 17:14, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
About the clubs pages I just noticed there are very detailed speech sometimes but they are outdated. For example in Chelsea page there was a good formation guide explaining how to use a formation with Carvalho Ballack and Shevchenko etc. but these players have gone so i modified the voice. By putting the tactics and formations talk under the installment heading we can preserve every "guide" from getting obsolete and we can just write a new one under the new installment when we want. If we don' t have time we don' t write anything but the old guide, under the old installment header, remains ok and not outdated [I' don' t know if I explain myself but being Italian it' s a bit difficult to explain this in another language :D] If someone like Whelan, that is more able than me in writing pes wiki codes, can standardize club pages in this way, we can all follow his guide and fill club infos and transfers year after year. newadventures 17:11, 21 June 2011 (PDT)
- Yeah, I agree with you guys. It's something I've been trying to edit in, but it's annoying when you have these ideas since there's so many pages! :| --Whelan 07:25, 23 June 2011 (PDT)
- It' s ok, we don' t have to change all the pages now. However we should standardize the way to write club pages up.
Let' s start with the new template http://pes.neoseeker.com/wiki/Template:Example_Squad_Page Then I suggest a few infos about the club (foundation, rivalry, stadium etc. etc.) Then the voice "tactics and formations" (sometimes there is only tactics, sometimes only formation etc.) with the installment header for every pes ==Tactics and Formation== ===PES 2011=== ===PES 2012=== then the current squad table without the in and out tranfers table.
Is it ok this way?
- Yeah that sounds pretty good! :D Sorry for my sort of lack of activity, I've been piled on with a lot of work, and I've not really had enough time to edit. :/ In a few weeks I'll be back editing regularly hopefully. --Whelan 07:51, 24 June 2011 (PDT)
 Current Squad Listings
- OK but club pages are really a mess. Almost every club page has rosters updated to 2008-2009. In the first page there is very often infos suffering of recentism, some transfers are updated and some are not. Managers are almost always wrong, it' s a real mess :D. And I checked only the Italian clubs but I think it' s the same for la Liga, Bundesliga, Ligue 1 and other clubs. Anytime we write something we have to put it under the installment header otherwise with every update the info becomes obsolete and suffering of recentism. About the roster....is there a way to cut and paste rosters directly from wikipedia pages? They are always well updated. If we could copy their template it would be very simple to have ALL the club rosters updated. newadventures 15:03, 25 June 2011 (PDT)
- I agree about all of the info going under the correct instalment header. :) We can't completely copy the templates from the wikipedia pages, it would really help with the squads if you could start using the new template though! The whole point of the new template is to make it much quicker and efficient to change and update. Reason 05:55, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
- Yep Reason, if I have to make a new page I' m definitely going to use the new template but I had the time to make some adjustment to the rosters, adding or deleting 1 or 2 players, I didn' t have the time to re-make the whole page with the new template. It takes me a lot of time, if there was a quicker way to do it I' do it. It takes 2 minutes to change some info and add 2 players, but adding the new template to all the players takes much more time, this is why sometime I just make a edit not changing the template. Write me PM to tell me if there is a quick way to make the whole page with the new template. newadventures 09:12, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
- Oh ok, that's fair enough. My point is that it's not worth editing the squad with the old template, because those changes will be made later when it's switched to the new template anyway.Reason 15:13, 26 June 2011 (PDT)
- You think it is better to edit all the club pages at the end of the market, like the first of september? When a trasnfer occurs (like criscito to zenit or nolan to west ham) I edit the player page and the club pages. Anyway club pages are almost always old and need to have general update. So if it is better to just edit the players pages and edit club pages at the end of the market (copying rosters and numbers from wikipedia or other sites) I will stop to edit club pages at every transfer i get. Let me know. newadventures 16:49, 27 June 2011 (PDT)
- Yeah I think it will be better to update all of the squads on the club pages when the transfer window shuts. For now there's no need to keep editing the club pages for every single transfer, so if we just focus on updating the player page when a transfer happens that would save a lot of time. However, I'm still going to be editing the current squads to put in the new template. Reason 02:47, 28 June 2011 (PDT)